Ally Smith is an MPNL graduate, a social entrepreneur, and a Research Associate at , which develops better connected and more sustainable communities across the UK. She previously worked at (OCH), an organization supporting homeless youth in Ottawa. PANL Perspectives spoke to Smith about elevating community needs to drive change and how that led to the social enterprise she鈥檚 building in Edinburgh, Scotland. The interview, edited for length and clarity, is by .
The Young Foundation has a culture of 鈥渄oing with people鈥� rather than 鈥渄oing to people.鈥� How does this influence the organization and service you provide?
Smith: That鈥檚 what drew me to working with them. I鈥檓 a big supporter of 鈥渨orking with鈥� not 鈥渨orking to.鈥� I wrote a report for the Young Foundation called The People-Centered Approach, because the Foundation is a leader of this approach in the sector, but no one really had the time to write down how they did the work. Their people-centered approach is something they apply to their researchers鈥� work, their community work, and their social investments; that means listening to communities and allowing them to be drivers of change. The Young Foundation creates space and provides resources for communities to create their own change.
How did you get started in the social enterprise sphere, and how do you see social finance moving within the sector?
Ally Smith and a colleague at Operation Come Home.
Smith: I鈥檓 excited about social enterprise, and I feel like it鈥檚 an untapped area of the nonprofit sector. In Scotland, the social enterprise sector is quite robust, and there鈥檚 a lot of government support for it. I randomly fell into this opportunity. There’s a tech, co-working space in Edinburgh, and I鈥檇 heard that their pop-up coffee shop closing during the pandemic. 鈥淚 could do that,鈥� I told myself. The only reason I want to run a caf茅, a business, is to create social impact, because that’s the thing that gets me up in the morning. I want to tie the caf茅 to youth work. In the past, with OCH鈥檚 employability programs and social enterprises, I helped youth to write resumes, prepare for interviews, and get their first jobs. I feel like there aren’t enough opportunities for folks who just don’t fit the mold of the first-job requirements, and they need a little extra support. The plan with the caf茅 is to partner with an employability program in Scotland to become an employer of youth who face barriers to employment, and to offer barista and customer-service training, so that they have an opportunity for paid employment.
Why do you think Scotland embraces social enterprise and provides a lot of government support, compared to Canada?
Smith: The UK in general has a strong, social-welfare state. There鈥檚 strong community presence, community groups, and unions. Scottish people have a strong sense of taking care of one another, so there鈥檚 a lot more of an appetite for social enterprise. The government has been funding social enterprises here for around 20 years.
Read Imagine Canada鈥檚 2020 report, “Are Charities Ready for Social Finance?,” which discusses how many charities aren鈥檛 interested in taking on social finance loans, and how their awareness of this revenue source is relatively low, particularly among small- and medium-sized organizations.
What barriers or sources of hesitation do you think Canadian nonprofits face when thinking of starting social enterprises?
Smith: The traditional ways that charities think of themselves are barriers. Charities are used to receiving government funding, so they maintain the status quo. It takes money to be able to think outside of your current circumstances, but a lot of charities are in survival mode. Also, the lack of professionalization of the sector — I mean, that’s why the MPNL program exists. It鈥檚 important to have people in the sector who understand the concept of social enterprises; you don鈥檛 know what you don’t know, so that’s probably part of it as well.
Also, I remember fighting to tell people outside of OCH why the organization was doing social enterprise. The charity had an uphill battle for a long time, and led the way in social enterprise in Ottawa. The onus shouldn’t be on nonprofits to convince funders that nonprofits and communities are doing the best things; funders should trust that the sector knows what the sector needs. And funders aren’t always expert in what’s going to best serve a specific community. The community is the expert. And who鈥檚 closest to the community? The nonprofits that work with them. That funding narrative about social enterprise needs to be flipped.
Ally Smith is on . Sherlyn Assam is on and . Photos of Smith and OCH are courtesy of Smith, and photo of cafe table is courtesy of Luke Chesser.
Monday, October 25, 2021 in Private Foundations, Research from Alumni, Social Finance
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